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Post by admin on Mar 20, 2007 22:27:13 GMT -5
These are the culprits who invented the trinity. They say they are the only ones that date back to the apostles.
I will let aone take care of the catholic board.
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Post by mrgoodmanj on Mar 30, 2007 9:41:16 GMT -5
no one "invented" the trinity...it is straight from the bible. (see my debate with bob james reply)
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Post by Thee BOB JAMES on Mar 31, 2007 0:04:56 GMT -5
Mr.goodmanj, please provide the passage that stated such. The word as well as any of these are not found in the book and are man made terms Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
WHY THEN DO YOU BELIEVE SUCH IDEAS? Where then did it come from if not Catholics? It did not come from the Protestants? You know who theya e right? DAUGHTERS OF ROME herself! But notice this REV. 17th chapter.
Did you know that TERTULLIAN a Philosopher is where that term 'Trinity' from-Latin Trinitas comes from? He was Catholic and his doctrine is not from the Bible, matter of fact in his day the MAJORITY OF CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS denied his teaching as rightful teaching and he even unknowingly is a witness against himself.
"The simple, indeed, (I will not call them unwise and unlearned, ) who always constitute the majority of believers, are startled at the dispensation (of the Three in One), on the ground that their very rule of faith withdraws them from the world's plurality of gods to the one only true God; not understanding that, although He is the one only God, He must yet be believed in with His own oi0konomi/a. The numerical order and distribution of the Trinity they assume to be a division of the Unity; .... They are constantly throwing out against us that we are preachers of two gods and three gods, while they take to themselves pre-eminently the credit of being worshippers of the One God; .... We, say they, maintain the Monarchy (or, sole government of God).26 And so, as far as the sound goes, do even Latins (and ignorant ones too) pronounce the word in such a way that you would suppose their understanding of the monarxi/a (or Monarchy) was as complete as their pronunciation of the term. Well, then Latins take pains to pronounce the monarxi/a (or Monarchy), while Greeks actually refuse to understand the oi0konomi/a, or Dispensation (of the Three in One). As for myself, however, if I have gleaned any knowledge of either language, I am sure that monarxi/a (or Monarchy) has no other meaning than single and individual27 rule;..."
Think about what that is saying goodmanj, IT IS TELLING YOU THAT HE WITH HIS THREE PERSON IDEA WAS LOOKED UPON AS PREACHING "two and thee gods". Yikes that is condemning upon the Trinity position that as late as 210 a.d. when he wrote it, your ideas were not the Biblical , majority view.
TODAY YOUR CHURCH IS THE MAJORITY AND I WOULD SAY YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL, for now today, your church is the majority in the end days those following he broad road will be led to destruction and few find the straight and narrow (that is now my chuch today, a Holiness, Jesus baptized, Spirit filled church like the Bible days of the first century Christians and beyond).
Study and see that you are following Mother Rome and your church is from none other than Catholicism.
BOB JAMES
from ante-nicene father against praxeas by tertullian chapt 3 pg1
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Post by mrgoodmanj on Mar 31, 2007 11:54:14 GMT -5
There is another word not found in "the book" that you should think about, because you yourself stated that you believe something that is not found in the bible by word, JUST LIKE you said about the trinity and all the other words you listed that supposedly are not found in the bible:
Rapture.
I figured you would pull something cute and bring that up when you ask about the word previous. Problem is I don't worship a non-biblical term RAPTURE. The idea of that word a "catching away" is found in scripture and the Latin word used for it describes in a single word the dead in Christ being taken out and then those ALIVE ebing caught up.
You Worship and call the NON-BIBLICAL word TRINITY, you God and there is no proof of such---at all! You are duped by your lesbian ministers, Pedophile Priests, homsoexual Pastors, and liberal teachings to accept worshipping something the Bible enver even calls GOD.
You think God so common that you can treat him like a word like rapture, you have no proof that God is a Trinity (the definition being three co-equal persons in a godhead), yet you accept a paganist term and idea of a corporate deity made up of seperate and distinct beings.
WE SHALL SEE THAT YOU WROTE ALOT ABOUT NOTHING.
BOB JAMES
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Post by mrgoodmanj on Mar 31, 2007 12:06:06 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, these word from your list ARE found in the bible, by verse, sorry your wrong:
persons
1. Luke 15:7 Luke 15:6-8 2. Acts 1:15 Acts 1:14-16 (in Context) Acts 1 (Whole Chapter) 3. Acts 7:14 Acts 7:13-15 (in Context) Acts 7 (Whole Chapter) 4. Acts 27:37 Acts 27:36-38 (in Context) Acts 27 (Whole Chapter) 5. Romans 1:27 Romans 1:26-28 (in Context) Romans 1 (Whole Chapter) 6. 1 Corinthians 12:6 1 Corinthians 12:5-7 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 12 (Whole Chapter) 7. 2 Corinthians 1:11 2 Corinthians 1:10-12 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter) 8. 2 Corinthians 10:11 2 Corinthians 10:10-12 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 10 (Whole Chapter) 9. 2 Thessalonians 3:12 2 Thessalonians 3:11-13 (in Context) 2 Thessalonians 3 (Whole Chapter) 10. 1 Peter 3:20 1 Peter 3:19-21 (in Context) 1 Peter 3 (Whole Chapter) 11. Jude 1:4 Jude 1:3-5 (in Context) Jude 1 (Whole Chapter) 12. Revelation 21:8 Revelation 21:7-9 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter) 13. Revelation 22:15 Revelation 22:14-16 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter)
eternal son
1. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:15-17 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 2. John 3:36 John 3:35-36 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 3. John 6:27 John 6:26-28 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter) 4. John 6:40 John 6:39-41 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter) 5. 1 John 5:11 1 John 5:10-12 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 6. 1 John 5:13 1 John 5:12-14 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 7. 1 John 5:20 1 John 5:19-21 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
God the Son
1. Matthew 1:23 " BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, " GOD WITH US." Matthew 1:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 1 (Whole Chapter) 2. Matthew 4:3 Matthew 4:2-4 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter) 3. Matthew 4:6 Matthew 4:5-7 (in Context) Matthew 4 (Whole Chapter) 4. Matthew 5:9 Matthew 5:8-10 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter) 5. Matthew 8:29 Matthew 8:28-30 (in Context) Matthew 8 (Whole Chapter) 6. Matthew 14:33 Matthew 14:32-34 (in Context) Matthew 14 (Whole Chapter) 7. Matthew 16:16 Matthew 16:15-17 (in Context) Matthew 16 (Whole Chapter) 8. Matthew 26:63 Matthew 26:62-64 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter) 9. Matthew 27:40 Matthew 27:39-41 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter) 10. Matthew 27:43 Matthew 27:42-44 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter) 11. Matthew 27:54 Matthew 27:53-55 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter) 12. Mark 1:1 Mark 1:1-3 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter) 13. Mark 3:11 Mark 3:10-12 (in Context) Mark 3 (Whole Chapter) 14. Mark 5:7 Mark 5:6-8 (in Context) Mark 5 (Whole Chapter) 15. Mark 15:39 Mark 15:38-40 (in Context) Mark 15 (Whole Chapter) 16. Luke 1:16 Luke 1:15-17 (in Context) Luke 1 (Whole Chapter) 17. Luke 1:32 Luke 1:31-33 (in Context) Luke 1 (Whole Chapter) 18. Luke 1:35 Luke 1:34-36 (in Context) Luke 1 (Whole Chapter) 19. Luke 3:2 Luke 3:1-3 (in Context) Luke 3 (Whole Chapter) 20. Luke 3:38 Luke 3:37-38 (in Context) Luke 3 (Whole Chapter) 21. Luke 4:3
Luke 4:2-4 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter) 22. Luke 4:9 Luke 4:8-10 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter) 23. Luke 4:41 Luke 4:40-42 (in Context) Luke 4 (Whole Chapter) 24. Luke 8:28 Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in a loud voice, " What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me." Luke 8:27-29 (in Context) Luke 8 (Whole Chapter) 25. Luke 12:8 "And I say to you, everyone who confesses Me before men, the Son of Man will confess him also before the angels of God; Luke 12:7-9 (in Context) Luke 12 (Whole Chapter) 26. Luke 20:36 for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-37 (in Context) Luke 20 (Whole Chapter) 27. Luke 22:69 " But from now on THE SON OF MAN WILL BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND of the power OF GOD." Luke 22:68-70 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter) 28. Luke 22:70 And they all said, "Are You the Son of God, then?" And He said to them, " Yes, I am." Luke 22:69-71 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter) 29. John 1:34 "I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God." John 1:33-35 (in Context) John 1 (Whole Chapter) 30. John 1:49 Nathanael answered Him, " Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel." John 1:48-50 (in Context) John 1 (Whole Chapter) 31. John 1:51 And He said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man." John 1:50-51 (in Context) John 1 (Whole Chapter) 32. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:15-17 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 33. John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. John 3:16-18 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 34. John 3:18 " He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:17-19 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 35. John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." John 3:35-36 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 36. John 5:25 [ Two Resurrections ] "Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. John 5:24-26 (in Context) John 5 (Whole Chapter) 37. John 6:27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal." John 6:26-28 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter) 38. John 10:36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, ' I am the Son of God'? John 10:35-37 (in Context) John 10 (Whole Chapter) 39. John 11:4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, "This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it." John 11:3-5 (in Context) John 11 (Whole Chapter) 40. John 11:27 She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world." John 11:26-28 (in Context) John 11 (Whole Chapter) 41. John 13:31 Therefore when he had gone out, Jesus said, "Now is the Son of Man glorified, and God is glorified in Him; John 13:30-32 (in Context) John 13 (Whole Chapter) 42. John 19:7 The Jews answered him, " We have a law, and by that law He ought to die because He made Himself out to be the Son of God." John 19:6-8 (in Context) John 19 (Whole Chapter) 43. John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31 (in Context) John 20 (Whole Chapter) 44. Acts 2:17 ' AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says,'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND;AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY,AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS,AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; Acts 2:16-18 (in Context) Acts 2 (Whole Chapter) 45. Acts 3:25 "It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ' AND IN YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.' Acts 3:24-26 (in Context) Acts 3 (Whole Chapter) 46. Acts 7:37 "This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, ' GOD WILL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN.' Acts 7:36-38 (in Context) Acts 7 (Whole Chapter) 47. Acts 7:56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." Acts 7:55-57 (in Context) Acts 7 (Whole Chapter) 48. Acts 8:37 [ And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."] Acts 8:36-38 (in Context) Acts 8 (Whole Chapter) 49. Acts 9:20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God." Acts 9:19-21 (in Context) Acts 9 (Whole Chapter) 50. Acts 13:21 "Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. Acts 13:20-22 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter) 51. Acts 13:26 "Brethren, sons of Abraham's family, and those among you who fear God, to us the message of this salvation has been sent. Acts 13:25-27 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter) 52. Acts 13:33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ' YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.' Acts 13:32-34 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter) 53. Romans 1:4 who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord, Romans 1:3-5 (in Context) Romans 1 (Whole Chapter) 54. Romans 1:9 For God, whom I serve in my spirit in the preaching of the gospel of His Son, is my witness as to how unceasingly I make mention of you, Romans 1:8-10 (in Context) Romans 1 (Whole Chapter) 55. Romans 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. Romans 5:9-11 (in Context) Romans 5 (Whole Chapter) 56. Romans 8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, Romans 8:2-4 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter) 57. Romans 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:13-15 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter) 58. Romans 8:19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. Romans 8:18-20 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter) 59. Romans 9:26 " AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,'THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD." Romans 9:25-27 (in Context) Romans 9 (Whole Chapter) 60. 1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter) 61. 1 Corinthians 15:28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:27-29 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 15 (Whole Chapter) 62. 2 Corinthians 1:19 For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among you by us--by me and Silvanus and Timothy--was not yes and no, but is yes in Him. 2 Corinthians 1:18-20 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter) 63. Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. Galatians 2:19-21 (in Context) Galatians 2 (Whole Chapter) 64. Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:25-27 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter) 65. Galatians 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, Galatians 4:3-5 (in Context) Galatians 4 (Whole Chapter) 66. Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, " Abba! Father!" Galatians 4:5-7 (in Context) Galatians 4 (Whole Chapter) 67. Galatians 4:7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. Galatians 4:6-8 (in Context) Galatians 4 (Whole Chapter) 68. Ephesians 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:12-14 (in Context) Ephesians 4 (Whole Chapter) 69. Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Ephesians 5:5-7 (in Context) Ephesians 5 (Whole Chapter) 70. Colossians 3:6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience, Colossians 3:5-7 (in Context) Colossians 3 (Whole Chapter) 71. Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Colossians 3:15-17 (in Context) Colossians 3 (Whole Chapter) 72. 2 Timothy 1:2 To Timothy, my beloved son: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. 2 Timothy 1:1-3 (in Context) 2 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter) 73. Hebrews 1:1 [ God's Final Word in His Son ] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, Hebrews 1:1-3 (in Context) Hebrews 1 (Whole Chapter) 74. Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says," YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER,AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. Hebrews 1:7-9 (in Context) Hebrews 1 (Whole Chapter) 75. Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. Hebrews 4:13-15 (in Context) Hebrews 4 (Whole Chapter) 76. Hebrews 6:6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. Hebrews 6:5-7 (in Context) Hebrews 6 (Whole Chapter) 77. Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually. Hebrews 7:2-4 (in Context) Hebrews 7 (Whole Chapter) 78. Hebrews 10:29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-30 (in Context) Hebrews 10 (Whole Chapter) 79. Hebrews 12:7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? Hebrews 12:6-8 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole Chapter) 80. 2 Peter 1:17 For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"-- 2 Peter 1:16-18 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter) 81. 1 John 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:7-9 (in Context) 1 John 3 (Whole Chapter) 82. 1 John 4:9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:8-10 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter) 83. 1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:9-11 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter) 84. 1 John 4:15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 1 John 4:14-16 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter) 85. 1 John 5:5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:4-6 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 86. 1 John 5:9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. 1 John 5:8-10 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 87. 1 John 5:10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 1 John 5:9-11 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 88. 1 John 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 1 John 5:10-12 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 89. 1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 1 John 5:11-13 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 90. 1 John 5:13 [ This Is Written That You May Know ] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:12-14 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 91. 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ This is the true God and eternal life. 1 John 5:19-21 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) 92. 2 John 1:3 Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2 John 1:2-4 (in Context) 2 John 1 (Whole Chapter) 93. 2 John 1:9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:8-10 (in Context) 2 John 1 (Whole Chapter) 94. Revelation 2:18 [ Message to Thyatira ] "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this: Revelation 2:17-19 (in Context) Revelation 2 (Whole Chapter) 95. Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying, " Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. Revelation 5:8-10 (in Context) Revelation 5 (Whole Chapter) 96. Revelation 12:5 [ The Male Child, Christ ] And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. Revelation 12:4-6 (in Context) Revelation 12 (Whole Chapter) 97. Revelation 15:3 And they sang the song of Moses, the bond-servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, " Great and marvelous are Your works, O Lord God, the Almighty;Righteous and true are Your ways, King of the nations! Revelation 15:2-4 (in Context) Revelation 15 (Whole Chapter) 98. Revelation 21:7 " He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. Revelation 21:6-8 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter)
Eternally begotten Son
1. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:15-17 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 2. John 3:18 " He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:17-19 (in Context) John 3 (Whole Chapter) 3. Acts 13:33 that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, ' YOU ARE MY SON; TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.' Acts 13:32-34 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter) 4. Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say," YOU ARE MY SON,TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"?And again," I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIMAND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"? Hebrews 1:4-6 (in Context) Hebrews 1 (Whole Chapter) 5. Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him," YOU ARE MY SON,TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"; Hebrews 5:4-6 (in Context) Hebrews 5 (Whole Chapter) 6. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; Hebrews 11:16-18 (in Context) Hebrews 11 (Whole Chapter) 7. 1 John 4:9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:8-10 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter)
God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
These are the same thing, depending on your bible translation
1. Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, " The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:34-36 (in Context) Luke 1 (Whole Chapter) 2. Acts 2:33 "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. Acts 2:32-34 (in Context) Acts 2 (Whole Chapter) 3. Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness. Acts 4:30-32 (in Context) Acts 4 (Whole Chapter) 4. Acts 5:32 Acts 5:31-33 (in Context) Acts 5 (Whole Chapter) 5. Acts 7:55 Acts 7:54-56 (in Context) Acts 7 (Whole Chapter) 6. Acts 10:38 . Acts 10:37-39 (in Context) Acts 10 (Whole Chapter) 7. Acts 15:8 Acts 15:7-9 (in Context) Acts 15 (Whole Chapter) 8. Acts 20:28 Acts 20:27-29 (in Context) Acts 20 (Whole Chapter) 9. Romans 5:5 Romans 5:4-6 (in Context) Romans 5 (Whole Chapter) 10. Romans 12:1 Romans 12:1-3 (in Context) Romans 12 (Whole Chapter) 11. Romans 14:17 Romans 14:16-18 (in Context) Romans 14 (Whole Chapter) 12. Romans 15:13 Romans 15:12-14 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) 13. Romans 15:16 Romans 15:15-17 (in Context) Romans 15 (Whole Chapter) 14. 1 Corinthians 6:19 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter) 15. 1 Corinthians 12:3 1 Corinthians 12:2-4 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 12 (Whole Chapter) 16. 2 Corinthians 13:14 2 Corinthians 13:13-14 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 13 (Whole Chapter) 17. Ephesians 4:30 Ephesians 4:29-31 (in Context) Ephesians 4 (Whole Chapter) 18. 1 Thessalonians 4:8 1 Thessalonians 4:7-9 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 4 (Whole Chapter) 19. Hebrews 2:4 Hebrews 2:3-5 (in Context) Hebrews 2 (Whole Chapter) 20. 1 Peter 2:5 1 Peter 2:4-6 (in Context) 1 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter) 21. 2 Peter 1:21 2 Peter 1:20-21 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter) 22. Revelation 21:10 Revelation 21:9-11 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter)
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Post by Thee BOB JAMES on Mar 31, 2007 17:30:56 GMT -5
Let me state clearly YOU DID NOT FIND ONE VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT STATED ANY OF THE FOLLOWING, I WANT THE VERSE WITH THESE WORDS IN THE PASSAGE, SCRIPTURE!
Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
You may think you were doing something posting all those verses, but none said any of the words listed in my list above, find just one and post it here
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I STATE HERE AND NOW THAT WILL BE BLANK A MILLION YEARS FROM NOW.
You did not psot a verse that said anything close to any of them.
You may in your deluded mind think some of those are in all those verses you posted, but the difference is what you "think" and what they say.
Just because the word Son is used in a passage, that doesn't mean you can insert the thought that you think he is eternal ans say OH OH , HERE IS A ETERNAL SON. You can insert ideas into any of those and say context context, but I say NO NO! BECAUSE NONE ACTUALLY SAY ANY OF THOSE THINGS AND NOT A ONE MEAN SUCH.
I sure wish you would have pulled that out in a ftf debate and been stopped cold with wher is such and such in this verse that you say is.
Your church teaches you falsely, so you understand as such and then think by whipping our 40-50 scriptures that is supposd to impress me, when not a one state anything in the list or mean such.
NOT ONE goodmanj, how is that? How can you use these terms and say God the Son and no verse say anything about it.
COME ON MAN, THAT IS JUST OUT AND OUT GUESSING ON YOUR PART AND WRONGLY SO.
BOB JAMES
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Post by Thee BOB JAMES on Mar 31, 2007 17:44:50 GMT -5
I want folks to see how poorly this fellow does study, follow along and see that he doesn't know his bible, doctrine or mine. bob jamesOh, by the way, these word from your list ARE found in the bible, by verse, sorry your wrong: persons 1. Luke 15:7 not speaking of God Luke 15:6-8 not speaking of GOD. 2. Acts 1:15 ditto Acts 1:14-16 (in Context) Acts 1 (Whole Chapter) not one of these mentioned here...Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
3. Acts 7:14 says nothing of anything in list Acts 7:13-15 (in Context) Acts 7 (Whole Chapter) same thing, nothing DID YOU READ ANY OF THESE GOODMANJ? I doubt it. 4. Acts 27:37 zilch, read it folks! Acts 27:36-38 (in Context) Acts 27 (Whole Chapter) WHAT DOES WHEAT GOOD CHEER MEAT A SHIP ETC HAVE TO DO WITH MY LIST? ABSOLUTE NONSENSE POSTED BY THIS FELLOW 5. Romans 1:27 HOGWASH! I am LOL! Romans 1:26-28 (in Context) Romans 1 (Whole Chapter) Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit none of these on my list in those verses. 6. 1 Corinthians 12:6 AH THIS SAID THE WORD GOD, so he thinks this automaticly means the delusion in his mind. HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no support for you here. 1 Corinthians 12:5-7 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 12 (Whole Chapter) 7. 2 Corinthians 1:11 2 Corinthians 1:10-12 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter) God is Spirit, so this is the same character as DEITY. Nothing on my list in this verse supporting goodmanj.Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
I challenge you right now to find any of those terms you use and believe in , in any of those verses. YOU DID NOT! You posted so much nonsense and just space filler as to be ridiculous and I wish I was debating you in a church and you brought up such pitiful ideas.
IF YOU CANNOT DO BETER THAN THAT, YOU MAY AS WELL STOP AND COME TO A ONENESS CHURCH AND GET SAVED, GET TRUTH, GET BAPTIZED CORRECTLLY AND THE HOLY GHOST IN YOUR LIFE.
BOB JAMES
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Post by mrgoodmanj on Apr 2, 2007 10:46:44 GMT -5
You said, "I figured you would pull something cute and bring that up when you ask about the word previous. Problem is I don't worship a non-biblical term RAPTURE. The idea of that word a "catching away" is found in scripture and the Latin word used for it describes in a single word the dead in Christ being taken out and then those ALIVE ebing caught up. It still never says the word rapture. Your wrong. You Worship and call the NON-BIBLICAL word TRINITY, you God and there is no proof of such---at all! You are duped by your lesbian ministers, Pedophile Priests, homsoexual Pastors, and liberal teachings to accept worshipping something the Bible enver even calls GOD. OH NO!!!! You mean there are sinners in the catholic church? OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! I should immediately start going to your church where everyone there is perfect and NEVER EVER SINS!!!! GROW UP and get new sarcasm. Oh, also, I have given you proof in the form of scripture from the bible. Your wrong and the bible is right. So is the Catholic Church. You think God so common that you can treat him like a word like rapture, you have no proof that God is a Trinity (the definition being three co-equal persons in a godhead), yet you accept a paganist term and idea of a corporate deity made up of seperate and distinct beings. WE SHALL SEE THAT YOU WROTE ALOT ABOUT NOTHING. I know I did, and it was fun.
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Post by Thee BOB JAMES on Apr 3, 2007 0:31:57 GMT -5
It still never says the word rapture. Your wrong. How do you figure I am wrong, abaout what, the word Rapture in Latin means caught up! That is translation and a description of a event that is going to happenYou Worship and call the NON-BIBLICAL word TRINITY, you God and there is no proof of such---at all! You are duped by your lesbian ministers, Pedophile Priests, homsoexual Pastors, and liberal teachings to accept worshipping something the Bible enver even calls GOD. Being that the false church is loaded with those, I would highly recommend you don't attend, unless you are planning on sitting at satans feet. Still the Bible does not even call God, TRINITY.OH NO!!!! You mean there are sinners in the catholic church? OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! I should immediately start going to your church where everyone there is perfect and NEVER EVER SINS!!!! GROW UP and get new sarcasm. Oh, also, I have given you proof in the form of scripture from the bible. Your wrong and the bible is right. So is the Catholic Church. The false doctrine you have is from YOUR ROMAN CATHOLIC MOTHER. Of course there is sinners in ALL TRINITY CHURCHES all of them are such, unless a Oneness is visiting .
You posted a lot of scriptures that NEVER SUPPORTED WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT DID, MATTER OF FACT A ABSOLUTE JOKE. YOU NEVER FOUND ONE WORD FROM MY LIST IN A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PASSAGES. And on top of that, most of those hadn't a thing to do even ny implication.You think God so common that you can treat him like a word like rapture, you have no proof that God is a Trinity (the definition being three co-equal persons in a godhead), yet you accept a paganist term and idea of a corporate deity made up of seperate and distinct beings. WE SHALL SEE THAT YOU WROTE ALOT ABOUT NOTHING. I know I did, and it was fun. ALOT! AND STILL NO PROOF OF THE TRINITY.
goodmanj, how is it you posted a ton of scriptures and didn't prove one thing on my list was in any of them?
Do you not consider that DISINFORMATION? BOB JAMES
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Post by mrgoodmanj on Apr 3, 2007 9:23:49 GMT -5
So you think you are sinless? Were you born without sin? If you were, can I come and worship you? (sarcasm intended)
The word rapture is not in the bible. The word trinity is not in the bible. The word rapture means caught up in the latin, the word trinity means 3 persons in one God. Both are implicitly found in scripture.
Here are the words you gave me to prove are in the bible:
Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
So because these words are not in the bible and I am not sure if they are or not yet, but my point I would like to make is this:
Because these words are not in the bible, does that mean there are not at least 3 persons spoken of in the bible, there is no eternal son in the bible, no God the Son, no eternally begotten son, etc? There is no God the Holy Ghost?
I really wonder about you sometimes man....
I will not be at satan's feet when I die, I will be with Christ. I am saved based on Christ's death and ress. and His blood He shed on the cross for my sins. I will always have this body of sin until I die, and so will you. There are sinners in every single christian church in the world, including yours. I believe that you pick on the Catholic church and point fingers because it's so big and stands out, and because it is the one true church started by Christ, through Peter the rock.
Man, my buddy was right: you are full of hate for so many things, your rude and very mean, true signs of an unbeliever.
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Post by Thee BOB JAMES on Apr 3, 2007 14:02:57 GMT -5
So you think you are sinless? Were you born without sin? If you were, can I come and worship you? (sarcasm intended)
BOB/ I never stated such, I
The word rapture is not in the bible. The word trinity is not in the bible. The word rapture means caught up in the latin, the word trinity means 3 persons in one God. Both are implicitly found in scripture.
Here are the words you gave me to prove are in the bible:
Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
So because these words are not in the bible and I am not sure if they are or not yet, but my point I would like to make is this:
Because these words are not in the bible, does that mean there are not at least 3 persons spoken of in the bible, there is no eternal son in the bible, no God the Son, no eternally begotten son, etc? There is no God the Holy Ghost?
I really wonder about you sometimes man....
I will not be at satan's feet when I die, I will be with Christ. I am saved based on Christ's death and ress. and His blood He shed on the cross for my sins. I will always have this body of sin until I die, and so will you. There are sinners in every single christian church in the world, including yours. I believe that you pick on the Catholic church and point fingers because it's so big and stands out, and because it is the one true church started by Christ, through Peter the rock.
Man, my buddy was right: you are full of hate for so many things, your rude and very mean, true signs of an unbeliever.
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Post by Thee BOB JAMES on Apr 3, 2007 14:23:22 GMT -5
So you think you are sinless? Were you born without sin? If you were, can I come and worship you? (sarcasm intended)
BOB/ I never stated such, Only Jesus was without sin. You can come though and worship with me Jesus our Lord the only true God and saviour.
The word rapture is not in the bible. The word trinity is not in the bible. The word rapture means caught up in the latin, the word trinity means 3 persons in one God. Both are implicitly found in scripture.
BOB/No! both are not implicitly found in scripture, RAPTURE is!!, since the word means sopmething the BIBLE SAYS, that is catching away. The Latin word for our English Rapture is used because of it's consolidated one word of saying a two or three word phrase.
I don't worship this non-biblical word which has a correct biblical phrase found in it's pages. You do and you are willing to take a chance that God is something the Bible never states and call him a name that isn't even found in it's pages? That seems like taking a big chance, you could be worshipping some demon called this and not even know it (very likely is , since it is not biblical and the word has gotten ahold of you).
You on the other hand worship a word not found or is any statement of three persons found, which is what the Trinity word is defined by. You need to have three persons spoken of, to have the Trinity to be spoken of in implication. Also note that you are calling God a Trinity which is not found, three persons which supposedly mean the Trinity and they are not found and on top of that we have the one True God who is found and his name is Jesus. Neither is first person and second person and third person which are used to prop up your idea and they are not found either.
DO YOU HAVE TO FIND ANY WORDS THAT YOU USE TO STATE IT IS BIBLICAL OR IS A GOD THAT IS A MONKEY IS ALSO OK, EVEN THOUGH THE BIBLE SAYS NOTHING OF GOD BEING A MONKEY, WE CAN ASSUME LIKE YOU THAT HE IS, BECAUSE YOU STATE HE IS?
Here are the words you gave me to prove are in the bible:
Trinity three persons persons first person second person third person eternal son God the Son Eternally generated Son Eternally begotten Son Triune godhead Triunity God the Holy Ghost God the Holy Spirit
So because these words are not in the bible and I am not sure if they are or not yet, but my point I would like to make is this:
BOB/ THEY ARE NOT, you tried to say they were with some phony scriptural support where not one of those words were found. Is that not dishonesty on your part? Get a concordance and look up each word and phrase and show me any of them. If you cannot , then why continue to use such hideously false words to describe the most important personage in the world?
Because these words are not in the bible, does that mean there are not at least 3 persons spoken of in the bible, there is no eternal son in the bible, no God the Son, no eternally begotten son, etc? There is no God the Holy Ghost?
BOB/ Will you trust them if they are NOT? and say this is how my God is, when the Bible is silent? For all you know he has green hair braided around his armpit and is part monkey, part Sucker fish with stone feet.
The Bible should at least state one of them to support your theory. ESPECIALLY THAT HE IS 3 PERSONS OR PERSONS IN SOME PLURAL WAY.
I really wonder about you sometimes man.... I will not be at satan's feet when I die, I will be with Christ. I am saved based on Christ's death and ress. and His blood He shed on the cross for my sins. I will always have this body of sin until I die, and so will you. There are sinners in every single christian church in the world, including yours. I believe that you pick on the Catholic church and point fingers because it's so big and stands out, and because it is the one true church started by Christ, through Peter the rock.
BOB/ I expose the Catholic church as a heresy! the Mystery Babylon Cult with her harlot daughters the Protestants. Do you have a clue how many people your church raped, tortured, stole from, and murdered?
History condemns your church as having rotted or no fruit.
Do you believe in the doctrine of transubstantiation? We know you believe in a trinity not found in scripture, what about celibate priests and nuns? What about Mary being a co-mediatrix with Christ? DOES YOUR CHURCH REQUIRE ANY OF YOUR DOCTRINES TO ACTUALLY BE FOUND AND TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE? It would appear not.
Man, my buddy was right: you are full of hate for so many things, your rude and very mean, true signs of an unbeliever.
BOB/ what then does that make your murdering church with false doctrines. I know I am the righteous scarcely saved, but none in your church will be. THE TRINITY IS A HOAX, THE FALSE BAPTISM IS A SHAM AND YOU CUSSED ME AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, SO YOUR HATE IS WHAT IS SHOWING. My godless and unholy friend.
IN JESUS NAME, BOB JAMES
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Post by mrgoodmanj on Apr 4, 2007 9:30:54 GMT -5
You say my church raped, tortured, etc. We are all murderers according to the bible. We ALL killed Christ, and ALL of us sinned, including you, the great Bob James.
Rapture is not found in the bible, and again, engage your brain here....I do not worship the WORD trinity, but the one God in three persons. I realize you do not worship the word rapture, and you don't even worship rapture because it is not God it is a made-up event that won't happen.
Oh, and stick to the subject. If you want to argue all those beliefs about the Catholic Church, then let me know.
According to the bible, you can not judge, unless you want to be judged, so if you are up for God's judgement, then be my guest and judge away, but no one is to judge, you are arrogant and prideful for thinking you have that right when you don't. I say you may be an unbeliever with your "cat-calls" and your name-calling.
I really believe that you don't really care about my soul you care about arguing to be right. Obviously you must have been adopted and your parents didn't love you. Grow up! Do you know why I believe that you don't really care about my soul? BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!!!! I am not your friend!!! I am not your enemy. The only reason I am on this thing arguing against you is because I am standing up for the church Christ started through Peter, and according to the BIBLE, "the gates of hell will never prevail..." against "her".
grow up! Spend time with your family! Do you even have a relationship with your wife??? Or are you just up late at night because she doesn't love you and your looking at porn or something??
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Post by mrgoodmanj on Apr 4, 2007 10:43:05 GMT -5
If you are going to say the word rapture is in the bible, then you will have to attempt to demonstrate this not from specific texts, but from constituent teachings from different texts brought together. To avoid the whole arguement we are having about rapture is to agree with the word trinity.
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Post by Thee BOB JAMES on Apr 4, 2007 17:14:53 GMT -5
If you are going to say the word rapture is in the bible, then you will have to attempt to demonstrate this not from specific texts, but from constituent teachings from different texts brought together. To avoid the whole arguement we are having about rapture is to agree with the word trinity.
I know this is hard for you to comprehend, being so unlearned in things.
RAPTURE A LATIN WORD HAS IT'S TENANTS OF MEANING FOUND IN THE "PHRASE" CAUGHT UP WHICH IS THE DESCRIPTION OF SOMETHING FOUND IN THE BIBLE
TRINITY, on the other hand does not even have what the word Trinity defines found in the Bible, that being what the word Trinity is to represent, that is "THREE PERSONS" Neither the word itself or that which it defines with this singular word are found.
That is why it is not the same, and why I dont hold to to the idea you say I must accept.
THE TRINITY is not found, the God the Son is not found or the God the Holy Ghost.
Rapture a latin word representing the event of something that does happen in scripture is sound, even though the word is not found.
I also don't worship the Latin word, you are worshipping that which is the non-biblical word.
BOB JAMES
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